تدريب على الترجمة من العربية إلى الإنجليزية

**Ahmadhesham** · 12-27-2006, 09:23 PM

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It is strange that the instituting Arabic grammar schools did not start in the Arabia, but in the rival cities of Kufa and Basra, in Iraq. That was analogous to the rise of the Greek grammar which did not start in Athens, but in the city of Alexandria; because the people there, who came from diverse places, needed it. And so was the Arabic grammar which was not necessary to the nomads, but was a real necessity to the Iraqis who spoke Persian, Syriac in addition to Arabic. The Grammar School of Basra, that was instituted by Abu Al'aswad Aldo'ali, was the first Arabic Grammar School, albeit it needed almost a century to develop. But the Grammar School of Kufa had been constituted by the end of the eighth century AD.

**Ahmadhesham** · 12-28-2006, 12:22 PM

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**Ahmadhesham** · 12-28-2006, 12:35 PM

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آخر تعديل It is noticieable that the instituting Arabic grammar schools did not start in the Arabia, but in the rival cities of Kufa and Basra, in Iraq. That was analogous to the rise of the Greek grammar, which did not start in Athens, but in the city of Alexandria where Alexanderians , who came from diverse places, needed it. On the contrary, the Arab nomads did not need Arabic grammar which was a necessity to the Iraqis who spoke Persian, Syriac in addition to Arabic. The Grammar School of Basra, that was instituted by Abu Al'aswad Aldo'ali, was the first Arabic Grammar School, albeit it needed almost a century to witness a real development. However, the Grammar School of Kufa had been constituted by the end of the eighth century AD.

**ahmed_allaithy** · 12-28-2006, 01:25 PM

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يحتاج المظلل إلى إعادة نظر:It is noticieable that the instituting Arabic grammar schools did not start in the Arabia, but in the rival cities of Kufa and <city w:st="on">Basra</city>, in <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Iraq</place></country-region>. That was analogous to the rise of the Greek grammar, which did not start in <city w:st="on">Athens</city>, but in the city of <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Alexandria</place></city> where Alexanderians , who came from diverse places, needed it. On the contrary, the Arab nomads did not need Arabic grammar which was a necessity to the Iraqis who spoke Persian, Syriac in addition to Arabic. The <placetype w:st="on">Grammar School</placetype> of <placename w:st="on">Basra</placename>, that was instituted by Abu Al'aswad Aldo'ali, was the first <place w:st="on"><placename w:st="on">Arabic</placename> <placetype w:st="on">Grammar School</placetype></place>, albeit it needed almost a century to witness a real development. However, the <place w:st="on"><placetype w:st="on">Grammar School</placetype> of <placename w:st="on">Kufa</placename></place> had been constituted by the end of the eighth century AD

**ahmed_allaithy** · 12-28-2006, 01:35 PM

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هذه هي الترجمة، مع الأخذ في الاعتبار أنه لا توجد ترجمة منزلة لا حياد عنها. It is interesting (to note) that the earliest schools of Arabic grammar originated, not in Arabia, but in the rival cities of <city w:st="on">Basra</city> and Kufa in <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Iraq</place></country-region>. Even as Greek grammar was born, not in Athens, but in Alexandria, because of the practical needs of its mixed population, even so Arabic grammar, which the Bedouin did not need, became a real necessity for the people of Iraq, who spoke Persian and Syriac as much as Arabic. The <place w:st="on"><placetype w:st="on">school</placetype> of <placename w:st="on">Basra</placename></place>, which is traced back to Abu al-Aswad al-Du'ali, was the earliest; however, it did not really develop until several centuries later; the school of Kufa began about the end of the eighth century AD.

**ahmed_allaithy** · 12-28-2006, 01:46 PM

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نص جديد:<span lang="AR-SA" dir="rtl" style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "traditional arabic"; mso-ansi-font-size: 13.0pt; mso-ansi-language: en-gb; mso-ansi-font-weight: bold; mso-fareast-font-family: "times new roman"; mso-fareast-language: en-us; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa; mso-ascii-font-family: "times new roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "times new roman"">لا ينبغي لأحد أن يستنتج مما قلته تواً أن الأدب العربي لم يبدأ إلا مع الدعوة الإسلامية، بل الأمر على النقيض من ذلك؛ إذ كان للقبائل الناطقة بالعربية أيام الجاهلية أدب بلغ درجة عالية في التميّز وخاصة في مجال الشعر. ولكن الإسلام ثبَّت تلك اللغة ومنحها أهميتها الدولية. ولو لم تكن العربية أداة الإسلام المقدسة لبقيت لهجة قبلية، ولما أصبحت واحدة من اللغات القليلة في العالم. بالتوفيق.

**Ahmadhesham** · 12-28-2006, 03:24 PM

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ألا ترى أن النص ضعيف في اللغة المصدر، ويحتاج إلى صياغة No one should understand from what I have just said that Arabic Literature did not begin before the appearance of Islam. On the contrary, the Arab tribes, which spoke Arabic in the pre-islamic period, had a highly distinguished literautre, especially in the field of poetry. In Fact, Islam established Arabic and made it an international language. Had it not been for Islam, Arabic would have remained a local tribal dialect, and would not have been the internaitioal distinguished language as it is today.

**ahmed_allaithy** · 12-28-2006, 04:14 PM

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الأستاذ أحمد هشام لقد قرأت وسمعت ورأيت نصوصاً مكتوبة بشكل ضعيف أو سيء أو تحتاج إلى تعديل أو تغيير أو تصويب. ولكنني لم أسمع أبداً عن مترجم يريد تغيير النص المصدر لأن صياغته لا تعجبه. واسمح لي أن أقول إن طريقة صياغة النص المصدر ليست مشكلة المترجم فالمترجم يتعامل مع النص المصدر بغض النظر عن ضعف صياغته أو قوتها من وجهة نظر كيفية نقله إلى لغة الهدف. فأرجو أن يكون الاهتمام بالنص الهدف لأن النص المصدر لا يتحكم فيه المترجم. تقول في ترجمتك No one should understand from what I have just said that Arabic Literature did not begin before the appearance of Islam. On the contrary, the Arab tribes, which spoke Arabic in the pre-islamic period, had a highly distinguished literautre, especially in the field of poetry. In Fact, Islam established Arabic and made it an international language. Had it not been for Islam, Arabic would have remained a local tribal dialect, and would not have been the internaitioal distinguished language as it is today أرجو إعادة النظر في المكتوب بالأحمر وربطه بالسياق العام حتى تستقيم الصياغة، كما أرجو مراجعة الترجمة على النص الأصلي.

**Ahmadhesham** · 12-28-2006, 08:42 PM

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It should not be deduced from what I have just said that Arabic Literature did not begin before Islam. On the contrary, pre-islamic Arabs wrote a highly distinguished literautre, especially poetry. Islam had improved Arabic and helped to spread it in a world scale. Had it not been for Islam, Arabic would have remained a limited language of a tribe or two, and would not have been the wide-spread language of today.

**ضيف** · 12-30-2006, 10:07 AM

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ارجو التعليق يا دكتور احمد اللليثي

**ضيف** · 12-30-2006, 10:14 AM

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ارجو التعليق يا دكتور احمد الليثي

It shouldn't be inferred of what I have just said that Arabic Literature did not start until the preach for Islam began. It is on the contrary, i.e. the Arabic speaking tribes during the days of Al-gahiliyah "pre-Islamic era" have had an outstanding literature especially at poetry. In fact, Islam rooted Arabic and has granted it its international importance. Therefore, if Arabic had not been Islam sacred tool, it would have been a tribal dialect and not to be one of a few global languages, either

**ahmed_allaithy** · 12-30-2006, 02:56 PM

تدريب على الترجمة من العربية إلى الإنجليزية

الأستاذ إسماعيل بداية مرحباً بك بموقع الجمعية الدولية للمترجمين العرب. وأرجو إعادة النظر فيما هو مظلل بترجمتك أدناه: It shouldn't be inferred of what I have just said that Arabic Literature did not start until the preach for Islam began. It is on the contrary, i.e. the Arabic speaking tribes during the days of Al-gahiliyah "pre-Islamic era" have had an outstanding literature especially at poetry. In fact, Islam rooted Arabic and has granted it its international importance. Therefore, if Arabic had not been Islam sacred tool, it would have been a tribal dialect and not to be one of a few global languages, either كما أرجو معاودة مراجعة الترجمة على النص الأصلي.

**ahmed_allaithy** · 12-30-2006, 03:06 PM

تدريب على الترجمة من العربية إلى الإنجليزية

يمكن مراجعة الترجمات أعلاه على هذه الترجمة: لا ينبغي لأحد أن يستنتج مما قلته تواً أن الأدب العربي لم يبدأ إلا مع الدعوة الإسلامية،It should not be concluded from what I have just said that Arabic literature only began with the preaching of the Muslim faith (Islam). بل الأمر على النقيض من ذلك؛ إذ كان للقبائل الناطقة بالعربية أيام الجاهلية أدب بلغ درجة عالية في التميّز وخاصة في مجال الشعر.On the contrary, the Arabic speaking tribes had already developed in their days of ignorance (jahiliyyah) a very remarkable literature, chiefly in the form of poetry. ولكن الإسلام ثبَّت تلك اللغة ومنحها أهميتها الدولية.Yet Islam it was which stabilized that language and gave it an international significance. ولو لم تكن العربية أداة الإسلام المقدسة لبقيت لهجة قبلية، ولما أصبحت واحدة من اللغات القليلة في العالم.If it had not been the sacred organ of Islam, it would have remained a tribal dialect instead of becoming, as it did, one of the few world languages.

**Ahmadhesham** · 12-30-2006, 06:14 PM

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where is the new text

**Ahmadhesham** · 12-30-2006, 06:21 PM

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 On the contrary, the Arabic speaking tribes had already developed in their days of ignorance (jahiliyyah) a very remarkable literature, chiefly in the form of poetry. ما معنى in their days of ignorance أليس الأوفق أن نقول "pre-islamic period ولا مانع من أن نعززها بكلمة jahiliyyah بين قوسين كما فعلت ،،، والله الموفق ؟؟؟

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